Is this the 800 pound gorilla in the american foreclosure crisis that no one is discussing?

June 8, 2010

in Bad credit mortgage lenders

If the mortgage lenders had to lower their standards to make more mortgage loans to americans, has anyone done a study to determine where the credit worthiness of americans stands today in 2008 compared to say 10 years ago in 1998?

in other words, is it possible that the fact that so many subprime loans had to be made was simply partly an adjustment by bankers and mortgage lenders to a new reality …that americans as a society had become less credit worthy to buy homes…and their credit had gotten worse as a society..that they had less savings to put down on a home, and they carried much more credit card debt…that perhaps more americans were struggling to keep their heads above water with stagnant wages….and exceedingly high housing prices than say back in 1998?
hmmmm…so no one believes that there has been a decline in the credit worthiness of americans?

thats funny, because as a mortgage loan offices for 15 years, I sure did. I noticed that as time went on that people’s credit worthiness was declining…that you had to talk to more and more people to find someone that was “well qualified”.
I have noticed something about many americans, that there is a reluctance to admit that this country is not perfect that its not the idealistic paradise that we are brainwashed to believe it is..like that we can’t do anywrong…that there is no poverty…that its still the land of milk of honey that it was once. Its really amazing. It sometimes feel like a slow strangulation of a country while everyone goes around happy go lucky buying their Ipods, and big screen TVs and watching their american idol.

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The Wise One June 8, 2010 at 4:04 pm

No – it’s quite simple – everyone and everyone was getting mortgages approved a few years back whether they could pay for it or not. Heck, my dog even got several pre-approvals to buy a mansion!

ken s June 8, 2010 at 4:17 pm

no it was congress who demanded they make loans to unqualified people. Why don’t people think congress does no wrong.

linktheworld219 June 8, 2010 at 5:10 pm

You lost me at hello.

I dont really know what your asking.

It looks like your second paragraph is about 7 lines HUGE question with more twist a turns then a blockbuster movie.

I will come back and asnwer more if someone else has an asnwer and I can understand what you are asking by that.

Dave87gn June 8, 2010 at 5:52 pm

No.
1. Many who got adjustable rates qualified for regular mortgages, but were tricked
2. The housing market would have stayed level instead of exploding. The exploding was due to lack of regulation( thanks bush) so that they started lending to people who also didnt qualify and thus inflated the market

basically it is just like the S&L scandal. You remove regulation, and the the people take full advantage of people

Boo June 8, 2010 at 6:22 pm

What? Here’s the real deal on the foreclosures. We lowered the bar on loan qualifications and lent money to people who shouldn’t have been lent money to. The housing market when up like a rocket, but what goes up must come down. Most people are pretty ignorant when it comes to money and finances, and the less credit worthy are more ignorant yet. We keep bailing people out, and they keep making more mistakes because they know they will be bailed out. We are rewarding people for not saving or not taking personal responsibilities.

Attorney June 8, 2010 at 6:41 pm

While you may be correct that credit worthiness has declined over the last 10 years you seem to be ignoring the underlying cause of the decline in credit worthiness.

I believe that it was a vicious cycle, e.g., that our credit worthiness declined simply because of the expansion of credit in the last 10-20 years!

Look at it this way: The expansion of credit made it easier to finance housing which drove up the cost of the housing which required the expansion of credit to allow the houses to be resold which caused every more inflated housing prices…Further, easy credit allowed us to refinance our homes to take out the equity that was building and to finance our toys.

Thus is is clear that easy credit could have been a major factor in causing the credit problems!

So if banks had not lowered their standards.. the expansion of credit would not have been needed and our credit worthiness would not have declined…

Now admittedly housing prices would not have gone up and the economy would not have expanded as it did so many of us benifitted.. so

Noah H June 8, 2010 at 7:29 pm

Good point. When I got out of the service in 1968 I got a union truck driving job. I bought a three bedroom, two bath, double garage house in the west part of the San Franando Valley in California….Canoga Park. Nice neighborhood, nice house, two kids, two cars, a cat, a dog, a bowl full of fish, a hamster and had a stay at home wife. Sure I worked ten hours a day, sure I brought home only $165.00 a week after taxes, and sure I had some hefty bills to pay, but the point is….Joe Average with a high school education could do this. Compare Joe Average in 1968 to Joe Average in 1978, 1988, 1998 and 2008. I suspect the you’ll see a slow and steady decline in Joe Average’s standard of living. Compare a $25,000 house @ 5 1/2% interest on a $8580.00 a year salary to a $250,000 house @ 5 1/2% interest to Joe Average’s $35,000 a year salary….toss in Mrs. Average’s $30,000 a year salary and do the math. Remember that now everything else costs more as well. Two salaries where one used to do the trick. Joe Average has taken it in the shorts, got the bone, got screwed, $#%^ed royal and has nowhere to go now other than down the tubes. Please someone…tell me I’m wrong! No kiddin’!

foreclosurefish_com June 8, 2010 at 7:38 pm

You’d also have to ask if the credit scoring guidelines changed at all during the period in question. From the bond rating agencies’ failure to acknowledge the risk in the subprime loans, we know that manipulating credit ratings is surprisingly easy.

But one thing that we know for sure is that the savings rate of Americans has been dropping over the past decade. Without savings, people are unable to react to a short-term downturn in their financial situations, and can not begin to improve their lives in any significant way.

The prevalence of mortgage loans requiring little or no money down allowed people to purchase homes with no financial investment. They were not required to save up 10 or 20% as a down payment, so they had far less emotional attachment to the property.

If you had a history of late credit card or car loan payments, and were then offered a house loan with no money down regardless of your credit score, who cares if you default? You have a history of paying late and not saving for an emergency fund, but you’re being offered a great mortgage loan anyway.

There’s always the chance that you’ll get away from the foreclosure house with no negative consequences, besides more damage to your already meaningless credit score. And a bad credit history didn’t stop banks from lending you hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past, so you can probably just wait a few years until credit conditions ease and apply for a new mortgage.

That doesn’t describe every homeowner, of course, but these types of borrowers, who had previously been turned down for loans, were given the subprimes. Whether they were just somewhat ignorant of the entire system or were trying to get in on the boom by buying a dozen houses and flipping them, the banks obviously overlooked past poor payment histories.

I don’t know if the lenders had to lower their standards in response to this demand from subprime borrowers for loans requiring no financial investment on their parts, but for some reason, the banks did lower standards. If they did this in an attempt to stay in business a little longer, it was a shortsighted goal with unintended consequences.

Hope that helps.
ForeclosureFish

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